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Tuesday, 12 June 2012 13:45

Interview with Dave Chaffey

Dr Dave Chaffey is CEO and co-founder of Smart Insights (www.smartinsights.com), a digital marketing advice site that helps businesses succeed online. He is author of 5 bestselling books on Ecommerce including Internet Marketing: Strategy, Implementation and Practice and has been recognised as one of 50 marketing ‘gurus’ worldwide who have shaped the future of Marketing.

 

Many companies and managers today are overwhelmed with all the hype around Digital Marketing. What practical advice would you give them, to help get started in this area?

Yes, I think there are many “rabbits in the headlights” moments with the growing pace of change and the speed at which the key players introduce new features. The great thing about digital marketing is that you can “dive in” and start small by creating a blog or Facebook page. The problem is, you’ll often then lurch to the next latest hype to see whether that helps. It’s currently Google+ and Pinterest for example, this time last year it was Quora. None of these will help build commercial growth if you don’t get the marketing fundamentals right.
At SmartInsights.com we're firm believers in a planned, structured approach to help make sure your online marketing activities are aligned with business objectives. Planning also really helps you prioritise on the areas you can have the biggest impact, maybe opportunities in tactics that competitors have ignored. It's also essential to get inside customers’ minds to see what they think, feel and do online and work out how that connects with your brand.
It’s crazy really, with how much is invested in digital media today, how few have a planned approach. We asked this question in a post about digital planning a couple of years ago and were not surprised to see that the majority have an ad-hoc approach. We repeated this informal poll again this year and found there was little change:
So, my practical advice is “don’t just jump in”, think about what you want to achieve and how you’re going to position yourself online, to differentiate yourself. A practical tip here, is to improve how you communicate your value proposition across your website and social outposts. If you’re an established brand this is less necessary, but if you’re starting out, it’s essential. 

See our advice on crafting an online value proposition (OVP).


What place do Social Media tools have in the Digital Marketing Mix? Are they simply additional advertising channels or something more?

Sure, you can think of social media platforms as advertising channels, but as you know Peter, that’s completely missing the point. We had an interesting discussion of this topic on our LinkedIn Group just yesterday.
A student studying digital marketing was asking about the scope of social media and their relevance to marketing. The short definition from my book is that "Social media encourages audience participation, interaction and sharing".
You can see that doesn’t sit at all well with advertising; we all know we don’t want to be advertised to when we’re socialising. That’s not to say that advertising on the social platforms doesn’t have value in raising awareness and connecting with advocates, far from it. But social media has an impact across the whole of digital marketing mix as you suggest.
Jen Law, one of our expert members expressed it better, saying “Social media is about conversations, community, connecting with personalities and building relationships. It is not just a broadcast channel or a sales and marketing tool”.
I think it’s interesting that in 2011-12 we are seeing company response to social media growing up and many now see it more broadly and are thinking how best to harness social media marketing across the business. We’re seeing companies talk about broader management of social media. In the same discussion, Paul Fennemore, a social media specialist, said:
"A purist would say 'social media' is media. In this case Web2.0 interactive, real-time based media including: Video, Blogs, Wikis, Gaming, Photos, Music and so on. However, social media has come to mean more than this and is not a good term for what it represents, Social Media Marketing, Social Commerce, Social Business, Social Enterprise are better terms depending on the context."

Today, consumers are exposed to a vast amount of data. How can marketers make it easier for them to find and hear what they need and filter out extraneous messages and information, from all the noise?

Analytics is a passion of mine thanks to my background as a scientist when I was studying in the 1980s. It’s one of the reasons why I was attracted to Internet marketing as it was known in the mid 1990s. It seemed to offer an opportunity to understand our customers much better and deliver relevance in our communications to help secure better business outcomes and ROI on our media investments. Yet, sadly I think most companies fail to filter out the noise.
There are certainly technical challenges with attributing influence to multiple media across complex customer journeys and how we use cookies to do this. I also think the web analytics systems are mostly designed “by geeks, for geeks” and they’re not structured around the questions that marketers ask – that’s why we’ve developed guides to step marketers through these questions on SmartInsights.com. But the bigger problems are to do with the classic governance issues of people, process and systems. You need the right KPIs, dashboards tailored to your business and a regular review/action process. Out-of-the box, the analytics or social listening tools don’t give you this.

 

What steps can companies take to measure and validate the returns that they get from their Digital Marketing investment?

 

To answer you’re question directly, I recommend these steps:
  1. Define value of outcomes on your site – setup goals in Google Analytics with values assigned to represent value.
  2. Put in place tracking of all media, on and offline, with consistent marketing source codes
  3. With this in place start using rarely used measures like revenue or goal value per visit and $Index value
  4. Understand, at a granular level which media, including sites, search terms, placement and creative create value for you.
  5. Maximise value, prioritising the media with the best conversion rates and ROI.
  6. Understand more complex journeys through multichannel funnels so your crediting assists earlier in the journey rather than just “last click wins”
  7. Find solutions to assess the value within social media marketing – 1 to 6 will help, but specialist tools are still needed!
If you want more detail on this, see an article I wrote for Brian Clifton , Show Me The Money, or buy Brian’s book on Google Analytics – this stuff matters! 


As the Web evolves into the Cloud and becomes even more pervasive, what changes do you predict for Marketing, resulting from the growth of mobile and the ubiquitous connection of less animate objects?

A challenging question to end! Regardless of the cloud, I think many don’t have a good conception of the their creative assets and how to make them most effective. We still have this mental idea of creative placed on our site or an advertisers site we need to use to get our message across. In 2007, I think there was a lot of discussion of “atomisation” and I think this is a better way to think of creative assets today.
My colleague, Dan Bosomworth on SmartInsights.com likes to call these “social objects” and they are the fundamental units  for effective content marketing today.  They are incredibly effective in some markets such as tech products and fashion. Companies like Hubspot, Eloqua in B2B, ASOS, Burberry in Fashion are masters in creating effective assets and campaigns around these which expand their reach and preference and link through to commercial goals. There are examples from many sectors though.
For me a solid content marketing strategy is key to online success today and it’s fundamental to success in search, social, email marketing and conversion. It unifies brand communications in disparate channels. So if you don’t have a content strategy you’re falling behind.
We find discussions of the potential of mobile marketing are some of the most popular on our blog, whether this is about QR codes, mobile apps or effective mobile design. It certainly gives increased opportunities for connecting with consumers in a more personal way, but I can’t see examples where how a company deploys mobile marketing has transformed their brand in the way that content and social media have for some of the examples above.
At some levels a mobile or tablet device is just an alternative to the desktop platform and gives a channel choice for similar content and experience. It doesn’t give so many brands so many new opportunities to engage. But I’d like to hear of more examples, particularly around proximity or location-based marketing with experiential marketing events.  This is where it can give companies an edge.
Looking further into the future, more objects will be web-enabled whether that’s cars, household items or people! PR Smith talked about this in our Emarketing Excellence book as earlier as 2001 about the Post-PC customer. We haven’t seen real progress in this area although the Verichip was touted as an implantable RFID chip. Health and privacy concerns seemed to have stopped it and I’m not too sorry about that – I think we all need to unplug sometime!

 

Useful links and resources:

 

If readers of this post would like to learn more about digital marketing, we've created a framework on Smart Insights which can help marketers explore a topic without being reliant on Google or Wikipedia.
Here are the starting points I'd recommend:

Interview by;

Peter Rees DipM FCIM FRSA MCIPR, Chartered Marketer

Managing Director,

PR Strategic Marketing Ltd.

www.prstrategic.blogspot.com

Twitter: @prstrategic

The CIM and CAM exam and assignment results were released this week and to our delight, tutor Marie Page’s Digital Marketing Planning class all scored grade A’s! Marie’s other digital classes ‘Digital Marketing Essentials’ and ‘Implementing Digital Media & Branding’  all passed their assignments with grades A – C – meaning The Marketers Forum achieved a 100% pass rate within all digital units. We think you’ll agree this is a wonderful result for both the delegates, tutor and study centre! A big slap on the back all round!

Of course TMF hasn’t become entirely digitalised – we also had delegates sitting their exams and producing assignments for their CIM courses, including the Professional Certificate, Diploma and Post Graduate Diploma. Once again our delegates performed well and the majority came out the other end with C’s and above. TMF have consistently been above the national average and this year is no different.

We’d like to highlight particular attention to our delegates who sat the case study module in April. This year in response to CIM changes to the syllabus we introduced a Residential Weekend to deliver the module. Our first Residential Weekend took place in April this year and appeared to be a great success, with some great feedback from tutors and delegates alike.  However the ‘proof is in the pudding’ so to speak and we now have tangible proof that our new delivery is indeed a success…

The Certificate class who took  ‘Assessing the Marketing Environment’ under the guidance of tutor Morag Foudy achieved a whooping 92% pass rate which is 15% above the national average. The Diploma class studying ‘Delivering Customer Value through Marketing’ reported a 71% pass rate, again, significantly above the 57% national pass rate.

Congratulations to all TMF delegates and thanks to all the tutors that helped them along the way!

If you’re interested in studying with The Marketers Forum please visit our website www.themarketersforum.co.uk or call 0207 031 4400 for more info!)

Imran is a Senior Examiner for the Diploma in Digital Marketing awarded by the Chartered Institute of Marketing.
He is experienced in the rapid development of rich e-learning content which is being used to educate business professionals in over 50 countries as well as working with senior management teams to develop staff training programs for Digital Marketing skills with various companies including Hewlett Packard, Bell Pottinger and 3M.

 

1. We hear a great deal about Social Media Marketing today. Should this be the main focus for a company’s Digital Marketing activities?

 

It definitely should be one of the main tools or channels in the mix as that is where the gravity of the internet is.  There are lots of networks and if you Google “Social Media Map” you will see some interesting visuals showing all the social media networks on the internet!
The main ones include Linkedin, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube and some of the upcoming local networks. Before jumping into any of these tools it is worth researching or monitoring the buzz on these networks which will give you customer insight into what is relevant to your products, market and business activity.  For example, Linkedin has a Q&A and groups section where you can see what people are talking about, Facebook has an advertising area where you can view detailed audience profiles and Twitter search & trends can show you what people are tweeting about.

 

2 What advice would you give companies to ensure that they achieve the best results and returns from Digital Marketing?

 

Key advice is to segment as much as you can!
Target your audience using customer insight tools – always follow through with relevant messaging specific to your audience at each point of the campaign. If you are targeting specific keywords/audiences, the ads have to be relevant, the landing pages have to relevant, the sign-up/register has to be relevant, the email follow-up has to be relevant and then close the deal!

 

3. Should Digital Marketing be treated as a separate and specialist area within the marketing function (like SEO) or is it better treated as something with which all marketers should be involved?

 

Everything is Marketing and the word Digital is the latest word being used to describe the explosion of new ways and tools to reach customers.  There is a big issue at the moment as there is a divide between Marketers and Digital/Technical people.  Digital is being treated as a bolt-on and may have worked in the early days but right now it is not working as everything needs to be joined up.  So the digital activity has to be at the core of marketing and other functions in a business.

4. As a Senior Examiner for the CIM, how strong are Marketers skills in the area of Digital Marketing today? What can they do to further improve them?

There are some Marketers already out there who launching amazing online campaigns and generating brilliant results on the money they are spending.  Marketers are all at different levels in terms of general digital marketing skills and also at different levels in terms using different digital and social media tools.
The main reasons why some Marketers are struggling is an information overload and not having the right mind set.  I think it is important to have a clear understanding of what you are trying to do within the business and then utilise the appropriate digital tools.
For example, you may be trying to generate leads, convert leads into sales or build relationships – depending what your aim is, there are different digital tools you could use at each stage.

 

Useful websites to increase your knowledge in Digital and stay up to date;

 

Useful Customer Insight tools;
It is really important to get a foundation of digital marketing knowledge which allows individuals to quickly grasp and leverage the opportunities in Digital.  The CIM digital marketing qualifications are the best in the market place right now to gain this foundation.

 

5. Finally, how do you think Marketing Education and Training will evolve with the continued growth in Cloud Computing and Mobile Technology?

 

I am looking forward to seeing the growth in both these areas as I think they will play a key role in joining up a number of business and marketing functions.  Mobile is big and will be big every year for the next few years.
We are living in a world where content is being produced at rapid speed, we are consuming a lot of information and to stay on top we must be able to learn and respond on the go – advances in both software and hardware technology is really changing both production and consumption of information so it is important that everyone has an effective, on-going content strategy in place.

Peter Rees DipM FCIM FRSA MCIPR, Chartered Marketer
Managing Director,
PR Strategic Marketing Ltd.
www.prstrategic.blogspot.com

Twitter: @prstrategic
Thursday, 28 July 2011 11:22

Free CAM Digital Qualification!

As of August 2011 our UK Premium Package rate for all CIM courses will include a free CAM Digital Diploma qualification of your choice!

Once a delegate has completed either the CIM Professional Certificate, the CIM Professional Diploma or the CIM Chartered Postgraduate Diploma, they are exempt from the non digital module of the CAM Diploma in Digital Marketing – Marketing & Consumer Behaviour (MCB). This Premium Package offer therefore includes;

 

CORE MODULE

Digital Marketing Essentials

ELECTIVE MODULE

You are required to choose ONE of the following;

Digital Marketing Planning

Principles of Mobile Marketing
Digital Metrics & Analytics
Implementing Digital Campaigns
Integrating Digital Media and Branding

 

This offers delegates /  employers two options;

  1. A delegate can attain a CAM Digital Diploma once they have completed their CIM qualification.
  2. Employers can buy the Premium Package and train TWO employees. One on their chosen CIM qualification and the other on their preferred Digital qualification!

*The offer only includes the two digital modules of the CAM qualification. If the delegate is not exempt from the Marketing & Consumer Behaviour module, they will be required to complete this module to achieve the Digital qualification.

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